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1、我小时候会自己构想故事IstartedthinkingaboutmyownstorieswhenIwaslittle.从小就喜欢天马行空地想象EversinceIwasachild,Iwasadaydreamer.想着想着差点被车撞Iwouldnearlygetrunover.我大概就是这样的人吧Iguessthat,sjustthekindofpersonIam.让我们一起欢迎Pleasejoinmeinwelcoming.小岛秀夫先生Mr.HideoKojima.小岛秀夫HideoKojima.游戏史上最有创意的天才之一Oneofthemostcreativetalentsinthehis
2、toryofgaming.太棒了Fantastic.他创造的既不是游戏也不是电影Whathecreatesarenotgamesorfilms.而是他的世界Theyarehisworlds.他是游戏界的大♥师♥Inthespaceofgaming,heisthemaster.我非常喜欢你的作品-谢谢Absolutelyloveyourwork.-Thankyou.即使没有挂名也看得出来是小岛秀夫制♥作♥的游戏YoucantellitsaHideoKojimagameevenifthatcreditwasntthere.不会吧Noway.电
3、玩游戏是世界上规模最大、最有力量的娱乐形式Videogamesarethebiggest,mostpowerfulformofentertainmentintheworld这一点体现在统计数据上andthenumbersclearlyshowthat全球玩家人数超过30亿人morethanthreebillionpeopleontheplanetplayvideogames.(PlayStation)秀夫可能是世界上最知名的游戏创作者AndHideoreallyisprobablythemostwell-knowngamecreatorintheworld.就像跟着威利旺卡走进他的巧克力工厂I
4、tskindoflikesteppingintoWillyWonkaschocolatefactorywithWillyWonka,youknow?与他同游Youjustkindofgoalongfortheride.我认为每一位艺术家都有义务Ithinkthatitstheobligationofanyartist挑战他们的创作极限topushtheboundariesoftheircanvas.点子不是接二连三涌现Thereisn,tsomekindofthreadfromwhichIpullideas.而是在脑中零星出现Fragmentsofideasappearinmyhead.我在制
5、♥作♥游戏时会经历这样的瞬间1havethesemomentsinmygame-making.我对人们如何发挥创造性思维很感兴趣mreallyinterestedinhowpeoplethinkcreatively,无论是哪-种专业领域nomatterwhatthediscipline.任何艺术形式发挥创意的过程几乎相同Anyformofartistry,theprocessisthesamealmostalways.那是智慧与直觉之间的交互作用Andthatisaninterplaybetweentheintellectandtheintuition.他一直在战斗
6、Hesfightingallthetime.我不知道对手是谁Idontknowwithwhom.也许是他自己Maybehimself.小岛秀夫：连接世界如果游戏上面写着“小岛秀夫游戏”Ifitsays,AHideoKojimaGame,就是向大家声明我从头到尾都有参与itmeansthatfromstarttofinish,minvolvedineverything,thatsthedeclaration.”小岛秀夫游戏”代表着我们不能马虎AHideoKojimaGamemeanswecannotcutcorners.（小岛秀夫被广泛认为是首位电玩游戏导演）（在业界打滚30多年后他创立了个人独
7、&hearts位&hearts江作室）（2016年小岛工作室）每次都很辛苦但这次我独♥立♥了Itshardworkeverytime,butthistime,Iwasindependent.（小岛工作室）虽然在前公♥司♥也很自♥由♥Inmypreviouscompany,IwasfreetodoWhatIwanted,但不是我的个人品牌butitwasn,tmyownbrand.我必须保护公♥司♥的品牌和利润IhadmyowngamesbutIhadto尽管有属于自己的游戏prote
8、ctthecompanysbrandandprofits.但在这种环境下很难创造出前卫的作品Insuchanenvironment,itisverydifficulttocreatesomethingcutting-edge.唯一的方法就是自己制♥作♥Theonlywayistoproduceityourself.当时的情况是Thestoryfrombackinthedaywasthat秀夫要推销一款游戏但他不想透露游戏内容Hideowantedtogoandpitchagamebuthedidntwanttotellanyonewhatitwas.他希望对方在不清
9、楚游戏内容的情况下Hereallywantedsomeonetosignupforthegame同意签下游戏合约withouthearingwhatthegamewas.西方人心想你疯,AndeveryoneintheWesternworldwaslike,Yourecrazy?我们知道你是小岛秀夫WeknowyoureHideoKojima但除非了解你的作品否则我们不会签约butwe,renotgoingtosignupyourgameuntilweknowwhatyouremaking.那是索尼的总部ThatstheSonyHQ.就我所知索尼说AndSony,asfarasIknow,ba
10、sicallysaid,我们相信小岛秀夫身为创作者的实力Weregoingtobetonyou,HideoKojima,asacreator.我们甚至不需要了解游戏内容Wedontevenneedtoknowwhatthegameis.直接同意签约Werejustin.（东京）（2018年）弯掉了对吧？It,sbentright?像这样1.ikethis.看起来不行应该向上才对Yeah,thatlooksbad,itshouldcomeuplikethis.这有点太长了Thisisabitlong.可能不好看Maybeitdoesntlookgood.我跟小岛监督合作的Thefirstgame
11、Idid第一款游戏是宇宙骑警withDirectorKojimawasPolicenauts.同时还有潜龙谍影And.MetalGearSolid1,2,3,4,5.1、2、3、4、5他一开始就跟我说他要展开新挑战Hetoldmeatthestartthathewantedanewchallenge.现在的游戏Withgamesnowadays,你要跟世界各地的玩家竞争看谁最厉害yourecompetingagainstplayersaroundtheworldtoseewhosthebest.你要殴打或射击对方Youhitorshooteachother不然就是大家同心协力oryoumigh
12、tco-operatewithothers联合对抗强敌toshootanenemy.这款游戏不一样重点在于人与人之间的连结Thisgameisntlikethis,itsaboutconnections.对你看不见的人给予帮助会让彼此更亲近Youhelpothersyoucantseeandthatwillbringyoucloser.那就是这款游戏的特色It,sauniquegamecharacteristic.我第一次向工作室员工解释时WhenIfirstexplainedthistomyStaff大家几乎都抱持否定的态度Igotalargelynegativeresponse.他们说“没
13、人会这么做Theysaid,Butnoonedoesthat.玩游戏是为了在游戏世界中成为强者并脱颖而出Youhavetobethestrongest,youplaybecauseyouwanttostandout.而不是为了别人采取行动”Youdontdosomethingforothers.大家几乎都不看好Mostofthemwerenegativeaboutit.小岛监督第一次告诉我他的计划时WhenDirectorKojimafirsttoldmeabouthisplan,他说这款游戏会以嘈己送”为中心hesaidthatthegamewouldbebasedarounddeliver
14、y.是一种全新概念的玩法Somethingwithatotallynewconceptofgameplay.不知道能不能被接受Iwonderedifitwouldbeaccepted.我们从2015年底开始计划Westartedplanningattheendof2015.当时有很多分♥裂♥和孤立的状况Atthetime,therewasalotoffragmentationandisolation.世界正处于一个分歧的时代Itwasatimewhentheworldwasbecomingdivided.全球每天24小时透过网络链接Althoughtheworldi
15、sconnectedbytheInternet24hoursaday,却难以成为一体itwasntcomingtogetherasone.（失去连接）我想提供另一种方法Iwantedtoofferanotherway,所以制♥作♥了死亡搁浅whichiswhyImadeDeathStranding.他不是那种只会重复既有概念的人Heisnotsomeonethatjustsortofrinsesandrepeats.他会尝试重塑游戏的玩法Hereallytriesto,toreinventhowthegameisplayed.但最重要的是Butoverarching
16、allthatisthisview他想与玩家交流thathewantstocommunicatesomethingtotheplayer.他在每款游戏中都有想传递的讯息Hereallyhasamessagethathewantstodeliverineverygame希望能传达给玩家thathehopestranslatestotheplayer.他制♥作♥的每款游戏都有其背后的原因1.ikeeverygamehemakes,theresareasonbehindmakingthegame.首先玩家会扮演山姆的角色Firstly,theytakeontheroleo
17、fSam.一开始他们会感到孤立无援Attheverystart,theywillfeelasenseofbeingcompletelyalone地势险恶周围没半个人影onaverydangerouspath.在这种孤独感中TheyfeelasenseOfloneliness他们得运送包裹并开始与世界建立连接astheydeliverpackagesandstartconnectingtheworld.因为只有玩家自己去连接Theplayeristheonlyonemakingtheconnections,所以一开始的孤独感非常折磨人sothesenseOflonelinessistorturo
18、usatthestart.有人在吗？Hello!嘿Heyyou!我是山姆mSam.我也叫山姆Hey,mynameisSamtoo!接着他们开始注意到Theybegintorealize世界上还有其他人在做同样的事thatthereareothersaroundtheworlddoingthesamethingasthem.那些人就是其他玩家其他山姆Thosearetheotherplayers,theotherSams.多谢帮忙Thanksforthehelp.他们看不见彼此但一发现对方的踪迹就会意识到Theycantseeeachotherbuttheystarttoseetracesand
19、realize,“我并不是唯一有这种感觉的人”mnottheonlyonewhofeltthisway.故事就此展开Anditopensoutfromthere.她留在那里的人马Thepeoplesheleftbehind一直在努力设立开罗尔网络的终端机havebeenhardatwork,settingupChiralnetworkterminals.但那些终端机都还处于孤立的状态Buttheseterminalsarestillisolated.我们需要你去将它们连上线Weneedyoutobringthemonline.那里有看不见的鬼魂Thereareinvisibleghoststh
20、ere,他感应得到却看不见hecansensethembutnotseethem.小岛先生总是在作品中保留空间让玩家自己思考Mr.Kojimaalwayskeepssomespacefortheplayerstothinkforthemselves.他们对鬼魂过敏Thesepeoplehaveallergicreactionstotheghosts,所以会流泪或起鸡皮疙瘩thatswhytheygettearfulorgetgoosebumps.我相信任何好作品都会带给我们一个觉醒的时刻IbelievetheresamomentOfawakeningthatwegetfromanygoodwo
21、rk,我认为小岛先生的作品都是如此IthinkallofMr.Kojimasworksarelikethat.我在学生时代发生了很多事WhenIwasastudent,therewasalotgoingon跟学校也不合andIdidntgetalongwithmyschool.这些事我都没跟父母说过Inevertoldmyparentsaboutthesethings.跟班上同学或朋友在一起时WhenIwaswithmyclassormyfriends,我总是很开朗活泼Iwouldbecheerfulandoutgoing.我是关西人所以喜欢逗别人笑或是捉弄别人IamfromKansaisoI
22、liketomakepeoplelaughorteaseothers.但当我独自一人时我会抱着膝盖ButwhenIwasalone,边听音乐边流泪Iwouldholdmykneesandlistentomusicandcry.我爸过世后大家都很担心我Aftermydadpassedaway,everyonewasworriedaboutme.曾经有一段时间我活在孤独之中Therewasaperiodoffeelingtotallyisolatedandlonely.事实上因为我父亲过世我才能进入游戏产业Thetruthisthatbecausemydaddied,Iwasabletogetin
23、tothegameindustry.当时的游戏不像现在这么广为接受Gameswerentacceptableliketheyarenow.游戏中心在当时被视为不正当的生意Gamecenterswereseenasashadybusinessinthosedays.业界有负面的形象Theindustryhadanegativeimage.不知为何我母亲是唯一没有反对的人Mymotherwastheonlyonewhodidntobjectforsomereason.她说“如果你想做就去做吧”Ifyouwanttopursueit,thatsfine.我的亲朋好友都认为我的未来没希望了Myfrie
24、ndsandrelativesthoughtmyfuturewasdownthepan.我在他们眼中就是如此ThatshowIwasseen.如果我爸还在世他一定会反对Ifmydadwasalive,he,dhavebeenopposed.他是个很可怕的人Hewasaveryscaryman.我入行时很惊讶原来有这么多人跟我一样WhenIenteredtheindustry,Iwassurprisedtofindsomanypeoplelikeme.这是我第一次遇到对创作充满热情的人Forthefirsttime,therewerepeoplewithaburningpassionformak
25、ingthings.我实在太开心了几乎都没睡IwashavingsomuchfunthatIhardlysleptatall.我想创造人们前所未见的作品Iwanttocreatethingsthatpeoplehaventseenbefore,但这非常困难butitcanbedifficult.如果你说它是机械战警和火烧摩天楼的综合体Ifyousay,itsacrossbetweenRobocopandToweringInferno,那就能结合两者现有的视觉效果thenonecancombinethetwoexistingvisualstogether.但如果你说”视觉上和现存的任何作品都不同
26、”Butifyousay,It,svisuallydifferentfromanythingthatexists,他们无法想象theycantvisualizeit.现在的新系列作品1dontknow,like,newfranchisesrightnow.我觉得很大胆也很困难Ithinkthatitsboth,it,sreallybraveanditsreallyhard.他们大部分都在重制♥作♥品Theyremostlymaking,like,weirdremakesandstuff.现在这个时代很难筹到资金制♥作&hearts渐作品Its,like
27、,reallyhardtogetfundingfor,like,newworkinthemodernera.以前我制♥作♥游戏时他们会出资一亿日元Inthepast,whenIwentpro,theywouldjustgiveyou100millionyen,你想做什么都可以andyoucouldmakewhateveryouwanted.但现在成本高达数十亿或数百亿日元Butnowitcostsafewtrillion,ortensOftrillionsofyen,要是失败的话soifitsafailure,生意会面临巨大风险theresahugerisktoth
28、ebusiness.所以他们会从各方面尽量降低风险Sotheytrytominimizethisriskfromallangles程度更甚以往toanextentwhichismuchmorethanwhatitwasinthepast.当你在平衡WhenyoubalancetheCommercialityexpectation数亿美元投资的商业性期望时Ofhundredsofmillionsofdollarsininvestment.同时又要忠于你的愿景Atthesametime,wantingtostaytruenotjusttoyourvision,以及你对游戏的整体概念buttoyou
29、rwholeideaofwhatgamingis.那就像用六颗子弹玩俄♥罗&hearts撕♥轮盘ThatslikeplayingRussianroulettewithsixbullets.我们该怎么做？Howcanwedoit?平常不是这样动而是Forthedailyone,notthismovement,but.应该这样才对？Morelikethis?他试着创造新的叙事体验He,stryingtomakeanewnarrativeexperience.我能想象他为了达到这个目标Icanimaginethepathhetakestoachievethis所走的路有多
30、困难isverydifficult.我制♥作♥游戏已经30多年了vebeenmakinggamesforover30years.以前如果我失败了Before,if1wastomakeaflop,我的员工可以去别的部门mystaffcouldjustgotoanotherdepartment.去别的部门没关系It,sfinethattheygotoanotherdepartment.他们还是能领到薪水Theywouldstillhaveapaycheck.但现在自己经营公♥司♥Butnowit,smyowncompany.如果搞砸的话就没有
31、下一款游戏了soifImessup,therewon,tbeanextproject.当机了Crashed.他做的事比该做的还多Hedoesmoreworkthanisrequired.如果你只是玩家Ifyourejustplaying,可能甚至不会注意到游戏里面有多少信息youperhapswouldntevennoticehowmuchinformationispackedin.他在他的作品中创造了一整个虚拟世界It,sawholeworldthathecreatesinhiswork,avirtualworld.在这些虚拟世界中他必须考虑到所有元素Inthesevirtualworlds
32、,hethinksofeverysingleelement.我尽可能紧密地与员工合作Iworkascloselyaspossibletomystaff每天做详细的调整andmakedetailedadjustmentseveryday.我想现在这种工作方式并不常见ButIdon,tthinkthiswayofworkingiscommonthesedays.大家辛苦了-辛苦了Helloeveryone.-Hello.摄影机一开拍气氛突然变得活跃起来Whenthecameraisrolling,theatmosphereissuddenlypositivehere.我们先从程序错误开始1.ets
33、startwiththebugs.在测试版中IntheBetaversion,我们无法纳入两处关于记忆的修正Wecouldntincludetwocorrectionsregardingthememory,但我们会尝试解决butwewilltrythem.如果行不通我们会再想别的办法Soifitdoesntwork,we,llthinkofsomethingelse.我想从下周开始检查成果Fromnextweek,dliketostartthechecks.我刚刚有跟新川聊到IwasspeakingwithShinkawaaboutthisaminuteago.高速公路的一侧工地Ononesi
34、deofthemotorwaywheretherestheconstructionwork,有个圆形突出物thereisaroundprotrusion.我要请你们在另一侧也放一个圆形突出物dlikeyoutoputaroundoneontheothersidetoo.如果只有一边车子就不能转弯Ifitsonlyononeside,thecarcannotrotate.其他工作室通常会有不同人负责故事情节或游戏玩法Normally,youhavedifferentpeoplefocusingonstoryorgameplayinotherstudios,但我自己一个人负责所以都同时进行butI
35、doitonmyown,soIdothemallinparallel.这种情况也许只会发生在我自己的工作室Thisisprobablyonlypossiblewithinmyownstudio.这也是蓝色的吗？应该是什么颜色绿色吗？Isthisalsoblue,whatcolorshoulditbe,green?不同的颜色Differentcolor.路线模糊不清很难找到Therouteisindistinctiveandhardtofind.在合作艺术中或几乎所有艺术中Inthecollaborativeartsorvirtuallyallarts,最终通常只有一个声音there,susua
36、llyonevoiceultimately.作为推动者必须做一件非常重要的事Thepersonwhoisthatdrivingforcehastodooneveryimportantthing那就是制定策略让其他人都能配合andthatiscreatethestrategieswithwhicheverybodyelsecanwork.如果我这么做就会发出哗声对吧？Ifldothis,itwillreactwithBeep.对没错Yes,itwillgo.大概在这里Aroundhere.应该是这样而不是这样Itslikethis,itsnotlikethis.好我们会试试看Yeah,wellt
37、ry.我们再看一次1.etshavealookagain.你脑中会展开一场优胜劣汰的激战TheresakindofaDarwinianbattlethatgoesoninyourmind,最强的点子会存留下来andthestrongestideassurvive.让你不断想起来难以忘怀Theykeepcomingbacktoyoutheywontletyougo直到你迷上那些点子untilyoubecomealittlebitobsessedwiththem.你从非常分歧、广泛的作品观点Andyougofromaverydivergent,broadviewofthework,跳到非常专注、细
38、腻的作品层次andyoubouncedownintoavery,veryhighlyfocused,granularlevelofthework.并在两者之间不断转换Anditsbouncingbetweenthetwo.这里看不太清楚Youcantseethisbitproperlyhere.没错看不清楚Youreright,itshardtosee.这部分也必须清晰可见Weneedtomakeitvisibleatthisbittoo.他们能够清楚表达传达给其他人Theextentthattheycanarticulatethatandconveyittotheothers并启发其他共事的
39、人andinspireothersworkingwiththem.那就会是一个完整的作品Thentheworkwillbeacomprehensivewhole.他能跨越各个层面我觉得很不可思议Beingacrosseverysingleaspectisincredibletome,那是我所没有的特质like,that,s,thattakessomethingthatIdonthave.非常特别Very,veryspecial.我不知道秀夫什么时候睡觉Idontknowwhenhesleeps.他有在睡觉吗？IdontknowifandwhenHideoeversleeps.你可以两段跳You
40、candothiswithdoublejumps.好像他在飞一样1.ikehe,sflying.以加速骨架来说他已经跳得很高了WiththeSpeedSkeleton,he,salreadyjumpingquitehigh.他可以的Hecandoit!摩托车无法跳跃是因为会卡在岩石上Thereasonthebikecantjumpisbecauseitgetsstuckontherocks.所以有很多情况会阻碍摩托车加速和跳跃Sotherearemanycaseswhereitpreventsthebikefromspeedingupandjumping.制♥作♥游
41、戏时包括程序、艺术、故事情节Whenmakingagame,youhaveprogramming,art,storytelling,声音、互动等方面sound,interactivity,andsoon.有很多不同的领域要思考Therearemanydifferentfieldstothinkabout.你必须管理一个非常复杂的机制Youhavetomanageanawfullycomplicatedmechanism.我们每天随时都在面对问题Eachminute,everyday,werefacedwithproblems.必须立刻做出决定Soweconstantlyhavetomakesn
42、apdecisions.如果超过十公尺足以杀死你Ifitsmorethantenmetersandenoughtokillyou,可以做成跟河床一样的红色吗？canwemakeitredliketheriverbed?我平均一次会遇到200个与游戏细节相关的问题Ihaveonaverage200problemsatoncetodowithdetailsofthegame,我必须针对所有问题做出决定anditsuptometomakedecisionsonallofthem.我无法解决的问题就会留在脑海里Sotheonesmunabletoresolvestayinmyhead.即使离开办公室问
43、题也萦绕在我心中Theyreonmymindevenwhen1leavetheoffice.有时候我会在梦里检杳程序错误SometimesIdobugchecksinmydreams.人们可能负责处理电♥话♥或引擎Peoplemaybeinchargeofprocessingthecallorengine人物塑造、索具等等andcharacterconstruction,rigging,whatever.但唯一负责管弦乐团Buttheonlypersoninchargeoftheorchestra指挥情绪和结果的人就是导演conductingfortheemotio
44、nandtheresultistheauteur.我喜欢的很多导演都是1.otsofthedirectorsIlikeare独♥立♥制片、艺术电影制片indie,arthousefilmmakers,但对我来说我们也必须吸引大众however,forme,wealsohavetoappealtoamassaudience.我喜欢的电影导演像是戴维林区和戴维柯能堡IlikefilmdirectorssuchasDavidLynchandCronenberg.都能保持前卫同时吸引大众Keepingthingsedgy,butstillappealingtomassaud
45、iences.那就是我想创造的游戏TheyrethegamesIwanttocreate.简单来说Putsimply,我觉得小岛先生是个电影迷IthinkMr.Kojimasabitobsessedwithfilms.从他的游戏作品中就看得出来Itsobviousfromhisgames.我们这一代有很多这样的监督Thereareanumberofthiskindofdirectorsinourgeneration.他们热爱电影看很多电影Theylovefilmsandwatchloadsoffilms.我认为小岛先生也一样1thinkMr.Kojimaisdefinitelylikethattoo.对我来说电影就是太阳Forme,filmsarethesun.就像植物利川阳光行光合作用Itslikeplantphotosynthesiswithsunbeams.我想接收电影的光线刺♥激♥我的细胞Iwanttoreceiveitsbeamstostimulatemycells激发新的创作andtoinspirenewcreations.像库柏力克导演这样让我留下深刻印象的Thingsthatleaveadeepimpressiononme,likeKubrick,都是创新的或新的事物areinno
