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1、木偶新知罗克珊盖伊：美国作家文化评论家著有不良女性主义的告白希♥特♥勒♥迈克泰森：前重量级拳击职业拳击选手曾获世界最年轻重量级拳击冠军（肯定还有）（更多）（不知道的）（泰勒斯威夫特）彭尼维斯：IT中的反派一个散布恐怖情绪的小丑充气城♥堡♥的恐怖贝克德尔测试：一种评估作品中性别平等程度的测试其要求是：影片包括至少两个有名字的女性角色这些角色互相交谈且谈话的内容与男人无关有个人帮你看着点儿总是好的Neverhurtstohaveaspot.如果我是安全代表Ifmthesafetyrep,那你就是安全代表的安全代表thenIgue
2、ssyou,rethesafetyrep,ssafetyrep.可不能让我们的领导摔倒撞到头呀Canthaveourleaderfallingandbonkingherhead.得保护好这优雅的脑袋Weneedthatelegantbrainunbruised.卡尔Carl!呵呵精♥子&hearts银行不让我再继续捐精了Well,thespermbankwontletmedonateanymore.什么What?他们说我的精♥子♥太被动Theysaidmyspermare,toopassive.它们似乎会用文火煮卵但从不进去Apparently,the
3、ycoddletheeggwithoutanypenetration.我没明白Idontunderstand,我也不想明白butIdon,twantanexplanation.他们说我最勇敢的精♥了♥Theysaideventheboldestofmysperm也只能完成一系列的半进攻型鞠躬onlymanagedtodoaseriesofsemi-offensivebows.我不知道该怎么办了Ijustdontknowwhattodo.你还能献血呀Youcouldalwaysdonateblood.不我拒绝献出哪怕一滴的血Oh,no.Irefusetogiveeve
4、nonedrop除非他们接受艾滋病患者捐献的血液untiltheyacceptdonationsfrompeoplewithAIDS.很抱歉法比安但我和你解释过rmsosorry,Fabian,butasvetriedtoexplain,不能在办公室里点油灯yourenotallowedtohavealitoillampintheoffice.这是情感支持火焰Itsanemotionalsupportflame.是医坐的处方吗Isitprescribed?这你不能问Youcantaskmethat.抱歉法比安但规矩就是规矩msorry,Fabian.Rulesarerules.你知道有条法律规
5、定不能在电影院里喊“着火了”Youknowthatlawwhereyoucantyellfireinatheater?多亏了我Thatsbecauseofme.劳伦开播了1.auren,youreon.我的生活一切都好EverythingisOKwithmylife,我对今天这位嘉宾的到来感到无比兴奋andIcouldntbemoreexcitedfortoday,sguest,她见解深邃聪慧多才amulti-hyphenateofprofoundinsightandintellect.欢迎罗克珊盖伊来到新知RoxaneGay,welcometoIntheKnow.谢谢你们邀请我Thankyo
6、uforhavingme.罗克珊在我们开始之前Roxaneuh,beforewestart.也没什么Nobiggie,但我正在处理一件很严重的私事butmcurrentlydealingwithadevastatingpersonalissue.但这件事不会以任何方式影响访谈的Butitshantinterferewiththeinterviewinanyway.好OK.感觉你是个很擅长Youaresomeonewhoseemstothrive讨论不舒服话题的人discussinguncomfortabletopics.你是怎么有勇气Howdoyoufindthecourage写出这样真实得残
7、酷的内容的tobesobrutallyhonestinyourwriting?这个嘛我觉得不算是勇气吧Well,youknow,Idontknowthatitscourage.我就是这么做了虽然时时刻刻都Ijustdoit,despitebeingabsolutelyterrified非常害怕但我会尽量往好处想atalltimes,andhopeforthebest罗克珊如果你觉得不舒服的话Roxane,ifitsstressingyouout,我想告诉你我刚才提到的私事uh,pleasejustknowthatthepersonalsituation是个医学问题Ialludedtoisame
8、dicalthing.但我们现在不聊这个Butwerenotheretotalkaboutthat.罗克珊你认为Roxane,whatdoyouthink下一波女权主义的浪潮会是什么样子的thenextwaveoffeminismwilllooklike?作为同盟我相信BecauseIbelieve,asanally,下一波浪潮肯定要由顺直白男引领thatthenextwavemustbeledbywhitecishetmen.我们搞的烂摊了我们来收拾Wevemadethemess.Wecleanitup.弄坏了就得付钱-不Youbreakit,youboughtit-No.下一波女权主义的浪
9、潮将由Thenextwaveoffeminismisgoingtobeled有色年轻人引领byyoungpeopleofcolor因为涉及平等与公平的议题时becausetheyhavethekeenestunderstanding他们对真正的利害关系ofwhatstrulyatstakewhenwetalk有着最敏锐的理解aboutequalityandequity.我认为黑人女性其实AndIthinkBlackwomenhaveactually-我勒个去Oh,JesusChrist.劳伦你想聊聊让你分心的事吗1.auren,doyouwanttotalkaboutwhatsdistract
10、ingyou?我不我没事mnot-mfine.如果你需要聊聊有我在Well,ifyouneedtotalk,mhere.我是个很好的倾听者大家都这么说magreatlistener,mtold.你想我直接告诉你吗Doyouwantmetojusttellyouwhatitis?好啊Ido.其实我不太愿意Iactuallydontfeelcomfortable在节目上聊这个talkingaboutitonair.他集中不了注意力了Hecantfocus.这一段肯定很难剪Thisisgonnabetoughtoedit.如果能帮你减轻负担Ifithelpslightenyourload,我可以来当
11、安全代表Icouldtakeoverassafetyrep.我不能给你添这个麻烦Oh,Icouldntputthatonyou.我很愿意这么做Itdbemypleasure.应急管理其实是我的一大爱好Emergencymanagementsactuallyapassionofmine.真的吗Really?想象能力与准备能力的碰撞Itsimaginationmeetspreparation.我们经常在红迪网的子版块上说Weliketosayonoursubreddit,如果你能害怕那你就能做好准备ifyoucanfearit,youcanplanforit.当你拥抱脆弱Whenyouembrac
12、evulnerability选择将其视作资产andchoosetoseeitasanasset而非负债ratherthanaliability,这种力量是非常强大的thatcanbeincrediblypowerful今天早上我的精♥子♥被确诊为被动精&hearts/p♥Thismorning,Iwasdiagnosedwithhavingpassivesperm.对There.被动精♥子♥是什么WhatonEarthispassivesperm?可以把我的精♥子♥想象成参加Thinkofmysp
13、ermalmostlikeaseventh-gradeboy女生择伴舞会的七年级男生ataSadieHawkinsdance.我去Oh,boy.缩在角落里打飞机Huddlinginthecorner,pullinghispud,不敢接近女生frightenedofthegirls.太难过了Anditsveryupsetting因为♥慰♥捐精是我回馈社会的方式becausemasturbatingwasmywayofgivingback.而现在诊所竟然拒绝了我的精♥子♥Butnowatclinics,they,veturnedmeaway.
14、我就是觉得失去意义了AndIjustfeelareallossofvocation.我能理解你觉得失去了意义Well,Icouldseehowyouwouldfeelalossofvocation,毕竟你一直为了帮助他人whatwithallofthatgoodSamaritanmasturbation而自♥慰♥thatyouvebeendoing.我就是不明白如果我的精♥子♥对卵子过敏Well,Ijustdontunderstandwhatmsupposedtodo我还能怎么办ifmyspermisliterallyallergicto
15、eggs.你还是能自己自♥慰♥嘛Youcanstillmasturbateonyourown,你要知道你的士兵andyoucanknowthatyoursoldiershave已经尽全力去战斗了foughtashardastheycould.就像安提塔姆战役的士兵1.ikeAntietam.一模一样Exactlylikethat.罗克珊谢谢你Oh,Roxane,thankyou.我准备好放下了-好的很好mreadytomoveon.-OK,good.如果在末口般的狂风暴雪中Ifyouwerestuckinalibrary你被困在了图书馆里duringanapocal
16、ypticblizzard,为了取暖你会最先烧掉哪本书whatisthefirstbookyouwouldburnforwarmth?我的话我会先烧掉马尔科姆格拉德威尔的眨眼之间Forme,itwouldbeMalcolmGladwelsBlink因为我就是觉得你懂的becauseIjustbelieve-And,youknow,我是站在中立客观的立场上说这话的Imeanthisinaneutralandobjectiveway这书纯粹在胡说八道Itspurehorseshit.季节性抑郁怎么就不是一个严重的安全问题了Howisseasonaldepressionnotaserioussafe
17、tyissue?对啊Totally.佛罗里达州完全没有人IdontknowanybodybackatFloridaState会抑郁thatsdepressed.很多人酒精中毒但没几个人会自杀1.otsofalcoholpoisoningbutveryfewsuicides.很明显芭布当安全代表太久了Barbsclearlybeensafetyrepforfartoolong.被权力冲昏了头Thepowersgonetoherhead.革命万岁Vivalarevolucin.你知道人们不知道该怎么看待我Youknow,peopledontknowhowtotakeme.他们经常把我看作一个男人T
18、heyoftenperceivemeasaman,这还挺奇怪的我的胸部很美好吧whichisweirdbecauseIhaveagreatrack我的天呢Oh,mygoodness!罗克珊-真的Roxane!-Itsjusttrue.你也太可爱了Youreadelight.对了你说你写作时会放Now,youvesaidyouliketowrite法律与秩序：特殊受害者当背景音withLawandOrder:SVUplayinginthebackground.我觉得这部剧的节卷Therhythmoftheepisodes,Ihavefound,对我的写作非常有帮助isreallyconduciv
19、etomywritingprocess.我准备访谈时也会做类似的事情Idosomethingsimilarwhenmpreparingforinterviews.我会放索朗在电梯里爆踢杰斯IputonthevideoofSolangekickingJay-Z的视频inthatelevator.你知道吗Youknowwhat?我每天都看着这视频健身Iworkouttothateveryday.超爽的Itsamazing.线上健身教练比不上为姐姐怒揍男人的妹妹APeIotoninstructorcantcompetewithsisterlyrage.谁会拒绝拿起武器保卫碧昂丝呢Whoamongus
20、wouldntwanttotakeuparmsforBeyonce?我曾经在希伯来学校扇了一个男孩耳光IonceslappedaboyinmyHebrewschool因为他侮辱了罗贝塔弗莱克forinsultingRobertaFlack.你知道吗你做得对Andyouknowwhat?Youwererightfordoingthat因为罗贝塔弗莱克是女神becauseRobertaFlackisagoddess.不好意思稍等一下芭布Excusemeonemoment.Barb!劳伦怎么了你还在访谈啊1.auren,whatisit?Youremid-interview.我觉得可能就是这把办公椅
21、的加热功能Ithinktheseatwarmerfeatureonmyofficechair让我的精♥子♥变得被动Tmightbecausingmypassivesperm.我要你去换一把Ineedyoutoexchangeit好访谈结束就去Fine,rightaftertheinterview.不现在去芭布No,rightnow,Barb!我可不能让我的精♥液♥泡一天温泉mnottryingtogivemysemenanendlessspaday.我半个小时后回来llbebackin30minutes.趁我还没忘Oh,andbefore
22、Iforget,卡尔会接替我担任安全代表Carlwillbetakingoverassafetyrep.是的Thatsright卡尔你对情感支持火焰So,Carl,whatsyourposition怎么看onemotionalsupportflames?反对Against?那我也反对你Thenmagainstyou.没有自♥由♥公IE的选举Notransferofpowercanhappen权力就不能转移withoutafreeandfairelection.很好Nice!我最喜欢蒙面歌♥王里的投票环节了Votingismyfavoritepartof
23、TheMaskedSinger.因为我能发表意见Igetasay!如果要选举的话Andiftheresgoingtobeanelection,我也要参选Iwillbethrowingmyhatinthering.我去Oh,shit!那现在投票Sovoterightnow?稍等Holdonasecond.别着急1.etsslowthingsdown.作为一个摇摆选民我需要你们色♥诱♥我maregisteredswingvoter,andIneedtobeseduced.你是说说服你Youmeanconvinced.随你怎么叫老爹Whateveryouwanttocal
24、lit,Daddy.酷哦Thatsoundscool.我也要被色♥诱♥Iwouldalsoliketobeseduced.天呢Diosm(o.你的比例坐椅子简直完美Youhavetheperfectproportionforachair.你叫什么Whatisyourname?芭布Barb.芭布我是马丽奥拉Barb,mcalledMariola,很荣幸为你寻找anditwillbemygreatpleasure你的完美椅子tofindyoutheperfectchair.我就是要换把椅子然后就得回去了Ijustneedtodoanexchangeandgetback.
25、不是我自己用的Itisntforme.但是芭布每个人都需要一把椅子ButBarb,everyoneneedsachair.我的办公桌是站立式的Ihaveastandingdesk.站立式办公桌Astandingdesk?真可怕Quehorror.他们要把所有美丽的东西都夺走Theywontbehappytilltheyvetaken才能满意everythingthatisbeautiful.他们是谁Whoarethey?你知道他们是谁Youknowwhotheyare.如果把拳击比作美妙的科学Ifboxingisthesweetscience,那么我们的下一位嘉宾就是拳击界的奥本海默ourne
26、xtguestisJ.RobertOppenheimer.他的力量极具毁灭性时而也美丽动人Andlikehisatomicbomb,thepowerourguestproduced就像奥本海默的原♥子♥弹♥一样wasdevastatingand,attimes,beautiful.迈克泰森欢迎来到新知MichaelTyson,welcometoIntheKnow.非常开心你能来-谢谢Weresohappytohaveyou.-Thankyou.来到这里是我的荣幸Itsanhonorformetobehere.我最喜欢的运动是大英烘焙大赛Myfavori
27、tesportisTheGreatBritishBakeOff因为让丑人也能上电视becauseitssoimportanttoshow这非常重要uglypeopleontelevision.你觉得人们喜欢看拳击赛是因为什么呢Whatdoyouthinkpeopleenjoyaboutwatchingboxing?技战术吧Thescience.有的人喜欢的是战术技巧Somepeopleenjoythescience,thetechnique.有的人就是喜欢看暴♥力♥场面Andsomepeoplearetrulyintothebrutalityofit.你在比赛中有没
28、有这样想过Didyoueverthinkinthemiddleofabout,要是我能看着对手的眼睛IwishIcouldjustlookmyopponentintheeye说“我足够强”就好了andsay,Iamenough?我打烂他的脸的时候就会这么做1dothatwhenIsmashhisface.有意思Interesting.迈克很多人都知道你为比赛训练时Now,Michael,whenyouretrainingforafight,只听忧郁民谣youfamouslylistenexclusivelytomoodyfolkmusic.不我训练的时候No,whenmtraining,只听硬
29、核嘻哈必须是硬核的nothingbuthardcorehip-hop-Hardcore.最具破坏性的嘻哈最卑鄙的嘻哈Themostdestructivehip-hop,themostvilehip-hop,我训练的时候就听这个that,swhatIlistentowhenItrain.对但你在训练时一定Right,butyoumusthavetrained听过卡罗尔金的那首toCaroleKingsrendition你让我觉得自己像个自然的女人ofYouMakeMeFeelLikeaNaturalWoman.我绝不会听那首歌♥的先生Iwouldnot-1wouldneveruse
30、thatsong,sir.那久乔妮米切尔的呢WhataboutJoniMitchell?我也不会用米切尔女士的歌♥No,IwouldnotuseMs.Mitchell.巴菲圣玛丽的呢-不会BuffySainte-Marie?-No.琼贝兹的-不不会JoanBaez.-No,no.听着-帕蒂史密斯呢1.isten-PattiSmith.瓦实提班扬的VashtiBunyan?麦加里格尔姐妹的-不会TheMcGarrigleSisters?-No.但是我们的调查员法比安坚称ButourresearcherFabianinsisted你喜欢一边听峡谷的女士们thatyoulovetosh
31、adowboxwhilelistening一边操练打拳toLadiesoftheCanyon.不法比安搞错了No,Fabianfuckedup.很高兴听你这么说迈克尔Youknow,mgladtohearyousaythat,Michael,因为我每次对她提出建设性的批评becauseanytimeIgiveanyconstructivecriticism,她都说所有反馈都是暴♥力♥shesaysallfeedbackisviolence.暴♥力♥是一种精神状态Well,violenceisastateofmind.暴♥力&
32、hearts;是一种看法Itsaperspectiveonviolence.在你看来不算暴♥力♥的事对她来说就是暴♥力♥Thatsnotviolenttoyou,butitsviolenttoher.迈克尔你要是喜欢措辞强硬的嘻哈Well,Michael,ifyoulikestrongly-wordedhip-hop,就该听听林-曼努埃尔米兰达对youshouldlistentoLin-ManuelMirandasrap白宫风云的说唱aboutnTheWestWing.特别上口特别放克哇Itsdeliciouslyfunky.-Wow.你
33、看过他在艾米舒默节目上的小品吗AndhaveyouseenhissketchontheAmySchumershow?时长超过六分钟Itsoversixminuteslong.我喜欢听起来不错Hey,Ilikethat.Thatsoundsgood.那个垃圾槽要是不承重Andifthegarbagechutesarentweight-bearing,那条逃生路线就会变成死亡陷阱thatescaperoutejustbecameadeathtrap.哇你果然是专业的Wow,youreallyknowyourshit.我有个安全问题Uh,vegotasafetyquestion.让这个办公室发生火灾
34、Howmanyhornyboomerscouldyouhave需要多少个饥渴的大爷大妈inthisofficeafterhoursbeforeitsafirehazard?假设来说吗Hypothetically?不是No.你们有时间吗Ifyougentlemenhaveaminute,我想给你们看样东西dliketoshowyousomething.我们对卜尔到底了解多少啊WhatdowereallyknowaboutCarl?卡尔有个音乐制♥作♥学士学位Carlhasabachelorsdegreeinmusicproduction.卡尔与前妻关系很好Carlha
35、safriendlyrelationshipwithhisex-wife.卡尔一天要上两三次厕所Carlgoestothebathroomtwoorthreetimesaday.我们要是连这些都不知道Ifwedidntknowthesethings.天卡尔Whoa,Carl.很让人不适啊Thatssomedarkshit.你就像彭尼维斯一样YourelikePennywise,dude.她只是给我的事实配上了可怕的音乐而已Thatwasjustfactsaboutmesettoscarymusic.是但她说的没错Yeah,butshe,sright.你确实挺常去洗手间的Youdogotothe
36、bathroomsometimes.这.这椅子很好It-it-it,snice.但不好意思我真的该回去了Idontknow.I-Ireallyshouldgetback.你有什么感觉Whatareyoufeeling?我在想劳伦会怎么想mtryingtothinkwhatLaurenwouldwant.该死Mierda.不要想这个叫劳伦的家伙DonotthinkaboutthisLauren.你不是她的附庸Shedoesnotownyou.问问自己Askyourself,芭布想要什么whatdoesBarbwant?我高中最喜欢的老师Myfavoriteteacherinhighschool既
37、是一个教育家又是精神导师wasparteducator,partspiritualadvisor,还是个业余按♥摩♥师但他最后被捕了andpartamateurmasseuse,andhewaseventuallyarrested.你认为拳击手与教练之间的Whatdoyouthinkistheidealrelationship理想的关系是什么样betweenaboxerandtheirtrainer?所有请导师或教练的人Anyonethathasamentororatrainer,他们的工作就是让他开心theirjobistomakehimhappy.他让你开心还是
38、让你让他开心Forhimtomakeyouhappyorforyoutomakehimhappy?不是我让我的教练开心No,formetomakewhoevermymentorishappy.如果他说我想再来一个重量级冠军Ifhesays,Iwantanotherheavyweightchamp-我太想再体会一次了那我就会为他成为重量级冠军Icantwaittogetanothermthatheavyweightchamp.真有趣我参加了犹太社区中心Itsfunny-Iparticipate提供的老年自卫课inanelderlyself-defenseclassattheJCC,我有个指导师穆
39、丽尔andIhaveasensei,Muriel.她是一位85岁的税务律师Andshesan85-year-oldtaxattorney.有一次她把我锁在垫子E把我都弄哭了AndsheonceheldmedownonthematuntilIwept.我要比他们年轻30岁以上Andmtheyoungeststudentby30years,但我也在课上学到了一些buttherearesomedefensetactics防御技巧而且即便是你泰森thatvelearnedinthatclassthatevenyou,Michael,也无法将我压制wouldnotbeabletooverpower.我相
40、信会有这种防御技巧msuretherearesome,但你做不到butyouwontbetheonetodoit迈克尔我告诉你Michael,mtellingyou.我会像一只小寄居蟹那样紧紧地蜷缩起来Icoiluplikealittlehermitcrabsotightly就连你也撬不开thatevenyouwouldnotbeabletoprymeloose.你可以把我踢出走廊Andyoucouldpuntmecleardownahallway,因为我也被人那样踢过我永远不会放弃asIhavebeenpunted,andIwouldneverletgo.我不信Idontbelievetha
41、t.大家都对你来硬的Everybodysusingforceagainstyou.但我会挠你痒痒Iwouldtickleyou.哦天啊你说得对Oh,mygoodnessgracious,youreright.我对于挠痒痒亳无招架之力mhelplessinthefaceofaticklemonster.我是至高无上的神Ireignsupreme.当他们被找到时Bythetimetheywerefound,就连牙科记录也无法辨别他们notevendentalrecordscouldidentifythem.1977年斯波坎1977,Spokane.一家保险公♥司♥举办的
42、假日晚会Aninsurancecompanyenjoysaholidayparty-蛋奶酒神秘的圣诞老人Eggnog,secretiveSantas.但这些狂欢人群都没察觉到Whattheserevelersdontknowis,theressimultaneously复印室燃起了电气火灾anelectricalfireinthecopyroom还有一个前同事拿着电锯的andadisgruntledformercoworkerwithachainsaw正朝楼上走来comingupthestairs.一个经典的完美风暴情境Aclassicperfectstormscenario.太他妈疯狂了Th
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